Dog crates… who else hates them?

It totally infuriates me when people get a dog or puppy, who do not have yards, leave them alone all day, and crate them. Dogs are highly social animals, pack animals, and need socialization. I am sure that the folks who crate their dogs devote no more than 2-3 hours a day to them. By crating them you cause numerous psychological problems, in the same manner would be if you crated a child and left them alone all day. Dogs/puppies need structure, attention and love.
BEFORE YOU DECIDE TO BUY A DOG/PUPPY… as yourself
1) Do you have the proper enviroment to raise a mentally and physically healthy animal
2) Do you understand the proper care of your dog (nutrition, training, etc.)
3) MOST IMPORTANTLY do you really have the time to dedicate to a pet?
Dogs are not toys, they are wonderful pets, if you have the time and resources to care for them.
Do the research, talk to a vet about what you have available, time wise and housing, to raise a happy, healthy dog.
Ok, rant over.
Apparently there is a clear difference of opinion on this issue. Now, if we could only get this type of debate on other issues, such as the descimation of our constitutional rights, erroding enviromental protections, taxation, lack of affordable healthcare, etc., just imagine what we could accomplish.

Thank you all for your input. Though I still strongly disagree with crating, what works for one may not work for another. I have never crated a dog because I have always had a large yeard, fenced for them to be in all day while I am at work. Our new golden pup, 5 months old, spends 4 hours at a time alone, but, she is in a large pen, with access into the barn, lots of toys, a kiddie pool and is a happy, silly, excellent dog. Potty trained at 2.5 months. She comes upstairs with us when we are there, or is outside with us when we are outside (we have 15 acres). Tho I digress……..At least I got everyone thinking a bit. :) No harm, no foul.
It seems that some folks who use crates, use them for training. I feel this is a poor way to train your dog. I feel that if you have to crate train your dog, you dod not have the complete understanding of how a dog thinks. As I said earlier, our golden, Milacek, was potty trained at 2.5 months, is well mannered, at 5 months she is perfect on a leash, sits and waits when asked, has never chewed on anything in or out of the house that does not belong to her, understands what is an outside toy and an inside toy, and is a very well trained little girl. Oh, she is really, really, really cute!
Most of my training techniques come from years of horse training through John Lyons seminars, books and magazines. The rest is common sense.
One thing I missed early is her love of my chickens. They cannot be out together (she wants to chase them). I should have put her in the pen with my grouchiest hen, Ashley, when she was a little pup, and she would have set her straight!
Oh Anne B, no need to be nasty. There weer a few nasty replies here, and there is no call for that. I based my OPINIONS on observing dogs that have been crated by people I KNOW and seeing first hand what effect it had on those dogs. No need to be nasty. Really. The snide remarks show lack of intelligence. Sad that a discussion canot be made without some being mean and nasty. Sorta like politics.

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27 Responses to Dog crates… who else hates them?

  1. ANTI-CHRIST says:

    I absolutely agree with you. I have 3 dogs and would never crate them. I hate people who use them as a way to get rid of them for the day. It burns me up when people let their cats have free reign over the house, but would institutionalize the dogs and treat them bad. People who don’t have the patience or time to take care of dogs properly, should not be puppy parents.

  2. sophylakes says:

    liken a crate and use exactly in the same EXACT way you would use a crib or playpen for a child……

  3. JR says:

    Apparently you were in a crib too long as a child and it has affected your ability to think.

    Safety first crates are best.

  4. Teresa V says:

    So are you saying that you must stay at home and not have a job or you can’t have a dog? I don’t like crates but I am not going to leave my dog with free reign of the house when I am gone. I put her in a room where she can play and sleep. I leave her for 4 hours at a time but if I didn’t have a job where I could run home at lunch I don’t know what I would do.

  5. mairin says:

    Now don’t get me wrong I am not for crating all the time. However they can be a place of comfort and security like a den. So it is not necessarily a bad thing. I don’t happen to use our crate as I am home most of the time. However I do have a couple of soft sided bags (one airline approved) and my dog simply chooses to go in them and take a nap if the mood strikes her. I have in no way forced her to do this.. it is her own choice.. so that tells me that being in a crate like area is not horrible to her.

    And I agree with you on those things to think about before getting a dog. I would also suggest reading up on various breeds to ensure the one you pick is not for it’s looks but for it’s personality. Is a working dog going to be spending it’s days alone in your house? If so you are probably going to see some destructive behaviors.

  6. Lisa says:

    You should really do your research before you make such large blanket statements that are false.

    If you have dogs that don’t like crates its only because you havne’t given them the opportunity. My dogs love their crates, they lay in them even while we are home because its THEIR home, a place they can call their own & relax. Plus, the crates are perfect for traveling, as they help keep your pup safe while riding along in the car. God forbid you ever get in a car wreck with your pup riding in your backseat uncrated, its like riding without a seatbelt but more dangerous.

    Also, don’t think that just because some of us have crates for our animals that we don’t have time for them or provide them loving homes. I spend all my free time outside of work with my dogs: taking them to the dog park, walking them, playing with them. Your statements about crating are false & based on stupid reasoning (psychological problems? WTF?) You say that giving them their own space causes psychological problems? Um yeah…that doesn’t make ANY sense, much like the rest of your rant.

  7. Rene says:

    yes i agree… if sum1 is going to buy an animal then they need to dedicate the time to them….. people these days…..

  8. Sunidaze says:

    I’m with you…I’ve never understood that as when I was growing up, we always had dogs and never kept them in crates. It does seem rather cruel to keep them in those things for extended periods of time (for instance, many people keep their dogs in crates overnight…even in the same room as the owner). Same for cats…mine apparently spent the first year or two of her life confined to a crate according to the rescue agency I adopted her from.

  9. ~.:Unknown:.~ says:

    Those three points you made are good things to think about before getting a dog! I agree that too many people get dogs/puppies without really doing the research. But I disagree with you on some areas of the crate training theory. It is not fair to get a dog and crate them all day, every day and then only spend a few hours with them. But it is also rather incorrect to assume that all people who use crates use them incorrectly and only spend a few hours a day with their dog.

    I use a crate for my dog at night because it is his home, just as much as a doghouse would be for an outdoor dog. It also allows me to know exactly where he is in case of an emergency. During the day, my dog is only crated if it is in his best interest to be away from the environment in the rest of the house. Other than that, my dog gets more attention than most people give their children. Dog crates are an excellent training tool if they are used correctly.

  10. Kristen K says:

    I hate dog crates. It takes up almost a whole bedroom. However, my dog LOVES his crate. If he feels threatened by a bath or nail trimming, he hides in it. If he’s really tired and wants to be left alone, he goes and takes a nap in it. And if he needs to be left alone for a few hours while I work or run errands, he stays in his crate, safe from any household dangers, like eating the stuffing in the sofa or getting into any hazardous chemicals that may be around the house. My dog gets walked several times a day and has a healthy diet. I take him to obedience and conformation classes weekly. I see no problem with a crate, actually.

  11. Lucy B says:

    I think crates are good if used properly and my dog much prefers to be in her crate when I’m out and finds comfort in it. I agree that people who use crates for too long and in the wrong way should be educated but they can be VERY helpful and comforting for both the dog and owner.

  12. wuuzle says:

    Whereas I agree with the latter points of your rant concerning getting a puppy, I don’t think you should use your personal loathing of crates as a scapegoat for irresponsible ownership.

    You’re "sure that the folks who crate their dogs devote no more than 2-3 hours a day to them". What is this based on? Your own prejudice. You clearly haven’t done enough research on the benefits of crate-training, and seem to think of a crate as a ‘cage’ rather than a useful way of keeping a dog SAFE and out of mischief when the owner is not around, as well as an excellent way of housetraining a dog– two things which ultimately give a dog more freedom.

    I *do* agree with you, however, that keeping a dog in a crate for 10 hours a day is not fair.

  13. lab lover says:

    I too was not a fan of dog crates until our first labrador retriever joined our family. On our breeder’s advice, we crate trained him, and now his crate is his place of refuge and safety. I also have 2 pre-teen boys, and when they get going with all of their friends, the house really gets rocking. When the noise is too much for the Lab, he retreats to his kennel for some peace and quiet. It gives him an out when he could otherwise become overstimulated by the ruckus. Also, labs eat anything they can swallow so it gives him a real safe place to go when the family is not home. I don’t need to worry about him ingesting something lethal (like a sock) when we’re not home. And we need to leave the puppies home at some time during the day – we need to work to be able to afford decent kibble :-)

    The trick is to make the kennel a safe place, and not a place of punishment. I’m hoping our newly adopted one year old bully will come to see her kennel in an equally positive light.

  14. tom l says:

    "there is a principle which is a bar against all information, which is proof against all arguments and which cannot fail to keep a man in everlasting ignorance — that principle is contempt prior to investigation."
    Herbert Spencer

    Nothing else needs saying

  15. be happier own a pitbull says:

    While I am not fond of Crating and I do not crate train my dog, she will still go in one if I ask her too. I understand why some use crates, ESPECIALLY if they are pups. I think using a crate for some people is a RESPONSIBLE way to keep their dogs healthy as long as they allow them to roam free when they are home and they get the proper attention and exercises. So to say it out loud I don’t agree with your total statement. Most people who crate do it to keep their dogs safe as well as their home. But responsible pet owners who crate also give their animals proper exercise.

    So your venting in a broad spectrum and not saying IRRESPONSIBLE PET OWNERS WHO LEAVE THEIR ANIMALS IN A CRATE WITH NO ATTENTION. Instead your nailing ALL PET OWNERS who use a crate, which is not right. Just a difference in opinions.

  16. Search Engine ( Seek & Answer ) says:

    Your right, my opinion is that the only people that crate their dogs are people that are to layz to clean up after the dog they bought. Most people buy dogs because of those cute, innocent faces they see at the vet without thinking if they have all the things needed to raise a strong healthy dog. Most dog owners like that will just leave their dog to die are dump them on the street when they realize that getting a dog wasn’t the best thing to do. No wonder the amount of stray & abused dogs in the world keeps growing.

  17. karennabinger says:

    Now, I have a new puppy, and when I went to my vet for her first check up, he recommend crate training. I have a 7 year old that I trained in a crate, and she is a perfect angel. She does not go in a crate now, but to be trained, she had too. She was a monster – she tore up my living room furniture while I was at work, she chewed a hole in my doors, she went to the bathroom everywhere! She was BAD! But now, like I said – I couldn’t ask for a better dog, she loves me and my family, she is one of the family.

    As for the new puppy, I am taking the same approach. And she is not out of her crate for 2-3 hours a day. My husband, my stepson and I all have different schedules – so she is out A LOT. I think crate training is a good way to go………I am really not sure how else I would train her?

    Although, until I did it myself, I thought it was horrible and cruel. But my little one goes in her crate when she is tired, just like it is her bed.

    I personally do not agree with people who make their dogs stay in crates for their life time. That is crazy, they should be part of the family!

  18. Sara M says:

    I don’t necessarily agree with you. Humans have lives and dogs are a part of our lives. In a human’s life you have to work, go to school, that is just two things that keep you away from the dog for a period of time during the day. If you were a single working woman with a dog and you wanted to spend all hours of the day with it so it wouldn’t be in a crate, you would have to quit your job. Unemployment leads to no money, no money leads to poverty. If you have no money you can’t healthyfully support your dog. Not enough money for vet appointments and other necessities such as something as imortant as food will lead to sickness and death of your animal. So please think about the coincidences of each comment you stated in your rant above. Also, dogs are fine in crates, but not for an extended period of time. If you left your dog unattended at home while at work, there are alot of dangers he could get into, such as electrical cord chewing, other animals, and using the bathroom in your house. Dogs are highly unlikely to soil the place they sleep. In conclusion, if you want to lead a normal and healthy life as a human, for both your dog and yourself, sometimes a crate has to be an option. Just because you have your dog confined to an area while you do the things you need to do to support yourself and your animal, doesn’t mean you don’t love your dog or give it attention when you return home.

  19. abbyful says:

    I support dog crates. It keeps the house safe from the dog (no chewed up furniture & baseboards, messes on the carpet), and the dog safe from the house (getting into toxic substances, chewing on electrical cords, ect.).

    Dogs feel safe in crates. It’s their equivalent to their "den" in the wild. My vet advocates crate-training as well. Most dogs do not need to be crated their entire lives, but it is a good foundation to have. Many dogs, even if not made to go in their crates, will still choose to spend time there even if they do have ‘run-of-the-house’.

    I don’t have a yard, I live in an apartment. I also work full-time. Does that make me a bad dog owner? No. I walk my dog several times a day, and she goes to doggie day-camp on a regular basis so she’s not always left at home alone. When I am home, she is not crated (except at night). At her currently age, when I am away, she is in her crate for her own safety.

    Do I understand proper care, nutrition, and training of my dog? Yes. I’ve done my research and also have personal experience (including but not limited to: 24 years of living with dogs, 10 years of dog project in 4-H, 4 of those years I was on the state committee; showing in both 4-H (obedience, showmanship, agility) and AKC (obedience, agility) ; and the training of a service dog for Kansas Specialty Dog Service).

  20. Dogjudge says:

    One very uninformed opinion.

    First of all, dogs are NOT wolves. They are not even the same species. A good example is wolves versus foxes. Wolves are pack animals as you say. That’s the way they hunt and survive. Foxes on the other hand are NOT pack animals, they are solitary animals and solitary hunters. Dogs are not pack animals. Can they get along as a pack, yes but I wouldn’t like to see it. Dog pack behavior is not a good thing. You get all sorts of aggression behaviors that you won’t see in the individual dogs.

    Foxes and wolves both spend a lot of time as youngsters in dens, as in dog crates. DOH!

    Anyone who starts leaving an eight week old puppy unsupervised with free roam of their house is out of their mind. Let’s start with simple things such as electrical cords.

    For a dog’s safety, I would NEVER travel with a dog loose in a car.

    I’ll leave my rant at the above.

  21. jumpinjacstraining says:

    If you are open-minded enough to consider another point of view on crating, please read this:
    http://www.jumpinjacs.com/Home/crate_training.htm

  22. Marna O says:

    Everyone….I believe the point here actually starts at the second sentence. And I totally agree.

    BEFORE YOU DECIDE TO BUY……..

    I have always used crates. They are great. Puppies overnight until they are housebroken, during rainy days when I must be away for an hour or so. Traveling, emergencies….

    But dogs do need more space for the majority of a day, and an alternative large, safe place is kinder and healthier

    A crate should not be considered as "a place to shut the dog away when I don’t have time or am too lazy to deal with it"

    Of course I am reasonable, and I am not saying people who work should not have a dog.

    But, the crate is a tool, a training aid. The end result should be the dog is free in the yard or house during the day.

  23. alia says:

    Other than your crating bias you state what is basic common sense- and which I agree that there are many owners who seem to lack it. Of course you should not own a dog if you will not raise it properly; i.e. feed, exercise, train, and give it the attention it needs. If you cannot do those things, then please don’t own a pet. But your opinion on crating seems very uneducated. Crate TRAINING is an excellent way to raise a puppy. Crating a dog all the time and not meeting the above needs is obviously wrong. So please be specific in whom you are speaking to.
    My dog who is a year old is crate trained. He has never had an accident in his crate. He goes in there to take a nap and keeps his toys in there. He is not in his crate when we are home unless I am vacuuming-which he thinks is his own personal toy…for some reason he loves the vacuum attachments and getting his nose sucked in. So basically-his crate is his safe place. He sleeps there at night and is contained when we cannot be home. Where do you put your puppies when they are growing up? I can’t think of any room in our house being as safe as his kennel-even if I removed all the furniture we do have baseboards and other structural things and our baby is a chewer! :) He has his bone and his kong in his kennel when we have to leave and we also put the radio on for him. What more can you ask for?
    I do not plan on keeping him crated when he grows up-that will be his choice for bedtime. When I don’t have to worry about him getting into dangerous things he will be allowed everywhere but the basement (cat’s litter boxes…those who have both cats and dogs know what I’m talking about :) ). So, since you’ve asked us to make sure we are educated before we get a puppy, I ask you to please educate yourself on crate training before you make such generalized remarks.

  24. smudgiepie15 says:

    For what you are saying i do agree, but i also belive if use for the right reasons, dog craits can be very helpful! They are a good way to train your animal when he is misbehaving! Its like how some parents send their kids to stand in the corner when they are misbehaving! The child knows that when they act up or dont listen then they will be sent to stand in the corner! Same for a dog! If they misbehave, the crate is a good way to teach them that they are not listening! I do not believe in keeping the dog in the crate, but like i said, if used for the right reasons, it can be very helpful!

  25. want2bavet says:

    i can’t agree with you more. i have two dogs who stay inside and sleep with me at night. they are the best!!

  26. heysanj75 says:

    Yes you are right. Dogs are social animals and pack animals. They are also denning animals. Thats why they hide under things. A crate is a safe haven for them. Its not to be used as a form of punishment. But to prevent my dog from getting out of my FENCED in yard, running out into the street and getting squashed by a semi, I will place her in her den with her Kong filled with dog food and doggie dessert and go to my job like a billion other people do every day. And allowing her to have free roam of the house at the age of 1 year is an absolute NONO!!! My dog goes into her crate on her own because Ive never ever used it as a form of punishment. And as far as talking to a vet about Dog training, Ummm no. They know some things about Pet training But a professional Dog trainer who belongs to APDT Is who I would go to first. Although being able to stay home all day and not needing to have a job would be sweet.

  27. anne b says:

    So, and you have some kind of degree in animal psychology? I agree whole-heartedly with Lisa. You have done no research and don’t have a clue what you are talking about. You have been very lucky that your animals are good dogs. I could go into numerous reasons for having a crate in the house for a dog, but it seems that you are very closed-minded about the whole thing, so I would suggest you ask some professional, and I mean professional trainers, or do some research on the Internet.

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